"...Like catching up on the Legend of Korra finale I missed with all this sleeping!"
New Page #2!
Several of you guessed what would happen in today’s update. I promised you that this issue would be anything but boring!
I’ll be at Otakon in Baltimore, July 27 – 29!
We have a superstar line up. I’m in Artists Alley right next to the amazing Comfort Love & Adam Withers, my sister and her Teena Bee handbags, and my BFF in comics, Alan Evans! And though we aren’t sitting next to each other, Dreamer colorist Julie Wright will be at the show, too. Get your Dreamer books signed by both of us!
Look for The Dreamer and Teena Bee at Booths Q07 and Q08!
*VOTE for a sneak peek at the next page!*
I knew it. Look at her trembling hand. Be nice, you two! So rude, about my dearest Nathan. Oh I am going to cry, and my heart goes out to Bea too. :(
And the VI: Oohh! Are we going to see some more of my dearest Nathan now? You have any idea how bad my withdrawals have been? And yet I have been ever so reluctant to continue on as I know what’s about to happen.
I think her hand is trembling because she’s suffering Nathan withdrawals as well. ;)
I’m joining in on this sob party of Nathan withdrawals
Annndd I just saw your “Legend of Korra” caption. LOL!
I laughed at that, too!
My heart just goes out to Bea on this page. I mean, bad enough that all us readers have known Nathan’s fate, but for Bea to find out this way is just… tragic.
That was my favorite part of the comic update because everything else to so depressing! *cries*
OH MY GOSH!
Bea has just discovered who Nathan Hale is! Oh my word! Poor Bea!
*recovers from initial shock* Now what will Bea do??????
After a moment of stunned silence she’ll probably collapse in tears at her desk, to the bafflement of everyone present except Yvette, OR pretend to be ill so she can go home with the intent of falling asleep as quickly as possible. That’s just a guess. We’ll just have to wait and see.
“Excuse me, may I please go to the nurse’s office? I think I have to… sleep….”
Exactly! :)
Poor Bea, indeed. That had to have been a real punch-to-the-gut sort of moment for her– even knowing what happened to Nathan Hale, my own stomach dropped a bit. This could be especially difficult to process since Nathan’s demise hasn’t happened yet Bea’s other life. It will be interesting to see how she reacts, not just immediately but in the long run. I think David has what she’s likely to do next in the immediate future pretty well figured out, though.
Only time will tell.
Oh, Bea. I feel for you, girl. I really do. I can’t imagine a worse way to find out what happened to a good friend of yours :(
Add to that the knowledge that in the “other world” that tragedy hasn’t happened yet puts a rather unique perspective on the situation, basically doubling the burden on Bea
My heart did a sickening plummet. Poor Bea!
This is so sad! Poor Bea, poor Nathan, poor EVERYONE. But especially Nathan *sniff*
omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *I’m sorry, but the brain currently trying to type is temporarrily unstable. please try again when her conspiricy theory is not coming true*
Now just calm down. Take some deep breaths. I know this is difficult for you, but you MUST regain your composure! It won’t do Nathan any good if you were to work yourself into an apoplectic seizure!
Unless he senses her distress across time and space and comes to her rescue.
That sounds like something Nathan would do. Say, maybe that’s HIS hand that Bea’s reaching for through that time-wormhole.
Hmm, I think we are on to something here!
I thought the exact same thing!!!! and it would mean my other theory’s coming true too…that one I won’t mind though.
Nathan’s hand through the time-wormhole => Nathan coming to the 21st century? That kind of theory?
And becoming Bea’s new teacher for History? exactly!!!! It’s PROVIDENCE!!!!!!
PROVIDENCE! *downs a shot of cider since it’s too early for flip*
What are you talking about!?!?!? It’s 5o’clock somewhere so It’s NEVER too early for flip!!!! >;D
Half Moon, that was exactly my reaction.
lol u, me and I’m sure Caera r having meltdowns right now???
@Half Moon: I think we can all presume that would go without saying!
Yeah, I’ve got a iron grip hug on Plushy Nathan and I won’t let go until it’s all over. If then…
And I haven’t let go of my Nathan pillow yet…
Nathan Pillow Fight! :D
and loser has to buy the felt!!!!! lol jk jk
Hehee, it’s on my agenda. Sometime this decade…O.o
Lol ok…at least it should be easier to get to me in Kentuckey than Mass!!!!
I’ll keep you posted ;)
PUN!
lol ty…
Oh. My. God!!!
Does this mean Bea’s going to try meddling and it inadvertently becomes the DEATH OF NATHAN HALE?! D: What if he’d been doing a fantastic job at being a spy BUT SHE BLEW IT. Good lord, all the guilt that’s going to arise.
Nathan babbu!!! & that VI makes me think there’s going to be a parallel scene. :D
Oh gosh. Oh no. Oh no. Oh my… I can’t keep biting my lip like this or it’ll start to bleed. But so what?? Who cares of my lips when such things are happening!? Oh no… is it okay to cry now? Or should I save the tears for later?
I’m right there with Deb. I am FREAKING. OUT. And unable to make a remarkable (or even coherent) response. :(
Bea trying to change history but instead causing the event she’s trying to prevent to happen in the first place? Ooooh, now THAT would be an ironic twist! It would totally devastate her!
Yeah, and I foresee two results…
1 – She cracks and ends up in an asylum in at least one time period
2 – The trauma is enough to bring all her 1776 memories back.
There’s also the whole Back To The Future paradox thing, but that’s a given for this thing anyways
Any way you look at it, that girl is eventually gonna need to see a shrink. I’ve heard of teenage angst but this is just too much!
I think we were talking about #2 a while ago…???
Oh man! That second option would s*ck for poor Bea (and Nathan) soooo much!!
I sincerely hope that Bea doesn’t meddle and cause his downfall! I don’t know how she’d recover from that. However, I also don’t know how she’d get to him with any kind of speed…
I know. For example, even if she could acquire a horse her 21st century self probably wouldn’t know how to safely ride one, unless her 18th century knowledge of this particular subject were to kick in. A river boat might be too slow for the distance she’d have to travel, and I hate to think of Bea alone and vulnerable among all those rough types she’d be sure to encounter along the way.
Here’s the thing, no matter how we go about it, Nathan’s still going to die. If Bea intervenes, it’d be BECAUSE she did it and he dies. But if she doesn’t, then John was right and dear ol’ Nate DID suck as a spy and he’d die. It’s a no-win game for us. :(
Oh, this is definitely going to be anything but boring! I’m looking forward to what Bea has to say in his defense. This is going to be great!
I’m sure Bea will make a spirited defense of Nathan to John. That is, if she’s not too stunned to speak.
I agree! Bea’s presentation on why Nathan Hale shouldn’t have been forgotten will be moving to say the least. :)
It will be an oration worthy of Joseph Warren himself!
*like*
Double *Like*
I should think it will be an oration worthy of Nathan Hale himself, don’t you? After all, he IS the king of oratory.
Oh no, Bea is going to find out on how Nathan Hale dies! OMG! OMG! And not to metion General Howe.
I have the feeling that the next few minutes will have a major impact on this storyline.
…as well as my blood pressure. ;)
Oh noooo oh John you ass you have no idea what you just stepped into. I’m half-expecting some serious punch action now.
INCENTIVE CAPTION!!!! (now available in Guam!)
“Look, I’m telling you there is no way this will work. I mean, an American Revolution? It sounds like a bad play! Next thing you’ll say that guy over there is actually a spy. “
Yeah…there are more than a few ladies reading this comic who will want to have words with John…and by words I mean the chance to pummel him for being mean about Nathan. :P
John’s just being an obnoxious jerk. Boo! Hiss!
I actually HAVE come to blows with my brother over Nathan. Several years ago. He thought it would be amusing to be rude about Nathan in front of me and tell me to crush on someone who was “worth it.” The fight that ensued lasted 3 days, and wound up with him getting punched, and my parents being the rudest I think I have ever seen them, and me leaving a 13 page long essay on why Nathan was the shiz and they were all jerks, pushed under their door and my brother’s.
…After that, we all had a discussion that went in favor of everyone in different ways, we all made up, and NO ONE messed with me and Nathan again. In fact after that Nathan was part of the family. They kinda figured I’d been crushing on him since I was five and I could do a lot worse. lol
So JOHN, BEHAVE!
Yeah, or we’ll sic a spontoon-wielding Caera on you!
CHARGE!!!!!!!!!! FOR NARNI-I MEAN-NATHAN!!!!
*Love* I just had a vision of Nathan in Narnian garb… @o@ *drools*
Oh, holy crap, C, you just gave me a vision of Nathan-as-a-faun.
Some how, both those mental visions work for me. O.o I say it’s James McAvoy’s fault.
Wanted = teh awesome
I’ll let you guys do the fanart on this one. ;D
Maybe after I stop smiling and giggling like a fangirl fool
Nathan-as-a-faun? Now THAT would be a sight, although I wonder how he’d feel about being portrayed as a pagan-type character, all things considered.
OMG! You guys are amazing! You ignite my imagination every time I read your comments.
So, I do not know what you think about this, but what about..
Nathan as a centaur, wielding a spontoon….. :)
Not a pagan faun, but a Narnian faun. I think he could get behind that. lol ;D
Nathan: I still think I prefer human legs…
@Amber: ……..Shove Nathan in the TARDIS NOW!!!!! we’re going interdimension traveling!!!!!!!!! and possibly doing some gene splicing…..>:3
Better make clones if you’re doing gene splicing. If we mess up we want to be able to “hit undo” so to speak.
Gods we are terrible.
Good idea with the backup clones. Always cover your bases!
If we’re cloning….heck, forget splicing! We won’t have to fight over who gets Nathan! There’ll be one for each of us fangirls!!!! <3
Dibs on the original.
You’ll have 2 guess which one that is….but I’ll settle with the one tht loves Doctor Who…lol
Uhh… girls…? No one gets “the original.” It’s too late for that.
Not if we have the TARDIS…..anything is possible with a blue box that’s bigger on the inside <3
@half moon the one with the scar of course!
@Lora yes, the TARDIS will resolve that issue. Lol
Wow. Yeah. She didn’t know. That would be a pretty hardcore thing to have to deal with. :-o
“This is going to be so BORING”. If only that were true.
Hahaha, could never be boring, but I do understand the “I have things to be worrying about” part…
This is the moment I’ve been both expecting and dreading since I started reading. Not Nathan’s actual death, but Bea finding out about it in the modern day. Maybe it’s just because it’s actually happening now, but this whole part of the story seems like it’s going to hurt even more than I thought it would… Why does Wednesday seem so far away?
Because Wednesday IS far away! :(
And now it seems even FARTHER! :(
I can`t believe she still hasn`t reseached all of them yet. That would be the first thing I would do. :D
Poor Bea….and poor Nathan! I hope she can prevent his death.
In every other situation the death of someone you love and the fear for a friend would be a very legitimate reason to get permission to go home, but in Bea`s case….well, good luck explaining that to your teacher.
Well, she doesn’t seem to be the most… avid student of history. I mean, if it’d been me, I’d have gone straight to the library/interwebz after that first dream and researched everything about the American Revolution.
Haha, me too!! But I think I would have at LEAST known about Nathan Hale to start with, lol.
Well she did start researching at that one point, after seeing the painting, but then she stopped because she knew she would go mad. We all freaked out because she stopped researching too soon to help Nathan.
Perhaps Bea isn’t putting much effort into researching the 18th century people she’s encountered because she’s actually afraid of what she might find? She also might be conflicted about whether or not she should try to interfere again, and not just because of any possible embarrassment like when she tried to interfere before.
I know I’d be afraid to. But I already know a lot…
Sometimes it’s a toss-up about which is worse, knowing or not knowing. Anyway, it’s possible that, at least on a sub-conscious level, Bea is afraid that by changing history she could set off some kind of “Butterfly Effect” that could have dire consequences in the ensuing timeline. I REALLY hate to say this, but for example let’s say she HAD somehow saved Knowlton. This might cause Fred to NOT choose to be a confirmed lifelong bachelor. Later on one of Fred’s descendants could somehow prevent the purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, which would certainly affect the course of the Cold War a century later, either by prolonging it or changing the outcome completely. I’m not saying this kind of complicated scenario would ever go through Bea’s conscious mind but she may at least conclude that what seems good in the present might not be good for the future. It’s kind of like that Star Trek episode that guest starred Joan Collins. Look it up and hopefully you’ll have a better idea of what I’m trying to say.
@David: So you’re saying that if Bea saves someone we have to deal with even more Joan Collins than we already do?
…… Somebody stop her!
City on the Edge of Forever? :) And no, I didn’t have to look it up.
Yeah, THAT episode! My point is that a time-traveler should seriously think it over before trying to change the past. Most of us wouldn’t have Kirk and Spock’s know-how in this kind of situation, so we’d be effectively blind as to any future consequnces that MAY ensue. I’d also like Bea to save Nathan although it would be ironic if she then awoke in the present to find that Snooki is now suddenly the Supreme Overlord of North America, for example! See what I mean? What we need is a solution that would both save Nathan AND still keep the timeline secure. THAT’S the problem!
Good point.
Bea
Bea no
It’s a fixed point in time
If you mess with it, bad sh*t’s gonna happen…
Who am I kidding, just go save Nathan! :D
Crud… this is NOT gonna be pretty.. O_o
Is trading historical figures even an option?? My teachers would wallop me for not accepting the assignment I was given (unless they’d given permission for us to trade from the start).
My teachers always started off with ‘no trading’ right off the bat…that’s how I wound up doing a project on the state of Wisconsin instead of Connecticut, but since Wisconsin is epic in it’s own right I wound up being pretty happy with it. I was just mad the guy who got Connecticut didn’t mention Nathan. His presentation was boooorrriing.
What makes Wisconsin great: Willem Dafoe. The end.
DAFOE…..
Yeah, I’m so hoping he’s still playing Norman in the new series. Bad outfit, but great performance.
Oops, missed an italic marker.
In the new Spider-Man movies? Didn’t even see it. They totally jumped the shark in the trailer and while I like Spider-Man I’m just burnt out on his movies.
1 – The bad outfit referred to the first one
2 – The new is so much better than the old. Give it a chance and it’ll be a shot of Nathan in your cinematic life
I don’t think anything can compare to Nathan’s role in my life, save for Adam Young’s, but I’ll probably get around to seeing it at some point…O.o
@Caera – Correction: What makes Wisconsin great: fried cheese curds. The end. :)
My company’s home office is in Milwaukee (the Good Land), and I still have not forgotten that first time someone there was having a chat with me about state fairs and fried food (I mean, the TX State Fair is kinda famous for frying stupid/wonderful things). When I gave them a blank look about fried cheese curds, they hauled me to the nearest brewery-style restuarant and ordered them for me. Heaven . On. A. Plate! :P
But Willam Dafoe is cool, too. :P
Fried cheese curds. I will add this to the list of things I must try. I’ve never heard of them either. Have they funnel cakes up there?
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I’m going to miss Nathan :(
Wow, great emotion Lora … I’m sure these are the types of pages comic artists dream of making!
Thanks, Scott!
Oh man….Oh man!! Now what? Please don’t tell me Bea CAUSES Nathan’s death trying to prevent it! Because then I’d have to cause Bea’s death!! :(
I’m still wondering what’s going on with Bea herself. Is it that there are/were 2 Bea’s, and the 21st century Bea is her descendent? Or is the 18th century Bea a past life of 21st century Bea? I suspect the latter.
Anyway, if/when she learns that another important character is dying off, what will happen then? (LOL, starting to get a little mad with Lora killing off all her characters! Haha, just kidding! You know exactly what you’re doing, Lora! I wish my history lessons back in school would have been this cool!)
Dang. I just remembered I have to wait – in SUSPENSE – all the way till next Wednesday!! NOOOOO!
YESSSSS! Unfortunately. Dang it!
Ack! I just realized, this is Friday the 13th! An ill omen?
Crap! Now I suppose we’ll be getting comments about Jason Voorhees now, won’t we?
SSS-SSS-SSS-SSS! AHH-AHH-AHH-AHH!
LOL!
Oh, yeah! Julie gets it!
And I don’t even watch horror flicks. :) I just don’t know many people who don’t recognize that.
Yeah, it’s like
Bruce’sJaws’s theme.Oh noes. I have a feeling this is going to be heartbreaking. The cover makes so much sense now. :(
I’m a bit surprised Bea’s experiences in the past haven’t increased her interest in history. How can history be “boring” if you live it every night?
I think she’s just not interested in the Populist party. ;)
Hahaha! Fair enough! :D
I also think I’ve figured out the symbolism behind the cover, and have a deep sense of foreboding now.
I think we all knew that this moment would come, but when I actually SAW it, I felt a sudden and decisive crack in my heart… Just… wow. :’( Great work!
Noooo! I think I can relate a bit to what Bea is feeling, as a Canadian I really didn’t know who a lot of the characters really were (in fact, in Nathan’s case, I’ll even admit that I thought he was a character you made up to go with the story… yikes) so imagine my surprise when roaming about the internet researching the revolution I come upon his name… and, well…
I’m pretty sure I actually cried. He was so young! :(
You’re not alone. I’ve gotten a lot of similar emails re: Nathan or Knowlton, not long after other Dreamers made similar discoveries when they got curious and began looking things up.
Hahaha and for me it was backwards. I knew about Nathan and went looking him up to see if anyone else was as nuts about him as me, and found The Dreamer…
Ditto! What a great stumble upon!
Huzzah for old school Nathan Nuts!
Researching Nathan Hale is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get.
Reminded once again of that one page where everyone said Nathan was channeling Gump.
“Nathan Nuts”? XD Oh dear…. My mind immediately went to the gutter on seeing that.
O.o maybe we need to call ourselves something different.
Re: Knowlton, yes, actually. I was at a family reunion tonight and they were talking about some Knowlton descendants/relatives, and then there were some patriotic songs about appreciating the men who died to give us our country, and wow, it really hit me–it was them!!
God, my heart just hurts at the thought of what Bea will find out in the next few seconds of her story. I cried when I realized what happened to Knowlton and to Nathan. I’m terrified of find out about anyone else, so I’m not looking anyone else up.
On a completely unrelated note, I love the green nailpolish!
It was only a matter of time until she actually found out something in the future (about the right person) but…oh my God, it’s too late to stop him, and she can’t warn him and…
And GAH, how dare the boys insult Nathan Hale! How dare they!
Oh no, next week’s page…it’s happening, or it’s stating next week and I AM NOT PREPARED!
Oh, my glory! Bea’s going to make a field trip to the New London Nathan Hale schoolhouse, where she’ll see the drawings on the wall by her own creator, and the whole thing will become so meta we’ll all end up biting our own tails! And then Lora will truly be the Evil Overlord!
By leading Team Mary/Eben/John, aka Team Warren, she already earned that moniker.
I feel like there should be a Terminator or Dalek joke here, but I’m not sure how to phrase it……
Dreamers take note: Concern for Beatrice and the fate of Nathan Hale have left Brent speechless. Can it be?
NO! THE WORLD IS GOING TO END.
Well, at least we’ll be spared the agony of watching Nathan die. :/
You see? Every cloud has a silver lining!
@Tamesin: How about “Darth Lora”?
@Davis: *sings* If the bombs go off the sun will still be shining, because I’ve heard it said that every mushroom cloud has a silver lining!”
David, not Davis* I’m typing too fast.
I GOT IT!
Of course, once Bea sees what Lora did, she’ll head out to Lora’s house and tie her up so she can’t write the story and have Nathan die, which means Lora also won’t be able to write about Beatrice, which means she won’t take Lora hostage because she’s not real, which means none of this happened, except I’m typing it so it did happen, so….
Everytime I see a yellow WV Beetle on the road I say, “Hi, Bea!”
Uh… Now maybe I’ll need to duck and cover!
If this is the case, I wear it with a badge of honor. ;)
So which do you prefer? Evil Overlord or Darth Lora?
Or would you prefer “She who must be obeyed”?
“The Mastermind.” It’s my Myers-Briggs personality type.
We must be wary of anyone styling themselves ‘Mastermind,’ holding Joseph Warren’s skull as an orb, and brandishing Miss Mercy Scollay’s stolen crutch as a scepter.
I see a Halloween costume coming together…!
Pics or the Halloween costume didn’t happen!!! :P
Next Comic-Con cosplay, mayhaps?
:D
Ooh, very sinister! But what’s that about Mercy and a crutch? Did she ever actually have to use one or did Dr. Sam just make that up?
There is brief mention of crutch-use in at least one of Mercy’s letters. She threatens to brandish it against any countryside-invading British soldiers. Tough cookie!
@David – In historical documentation we do not know if the crutch reference noted @Tamesin was associated with a one-time twisted ankle or was a permanent handicap. In the last year of her life Mercy had one of her feet amputated – that might or might not be related to the 50-years earlier crutch.
For purposes of demonstrating the depravity of the Mastermind and Team Mary/Eben/John, we are for the moment accepting that Mercy was indeed handicapped and that the bullies would harass the handicapped girl, break her heart, and steal her crutch.
What a horrible way to find out about a friend’s future! I’ve been dreading this part of the story for a long time. I need to stock up on the kleenex. Seriously.
This was so awesome I just squealed in the middle of a pub in London! Nathan! I knew I brought that shirt with me to the UK for a reason.
Bea should switch with John, she’d do an epic presentation.
Also I love John mulligan as well as dr. John. Or maybe tht’s the cider talking…
Bea: “….but the best thing Nathan Hale ever did was keep me from getting shot by some redcoats at the Jamaica Pass.”
Class: “…..”
Bea: “Um….I mean, show what the strength and honor of one man could prove?”
Ms. Thornton: (thinking) Yeah….she’s totally not getting above a C+ for that Mary Sue shit there….
Oh Brent that’s awesome.
Next update I’ll comment before the cider and iPhone effect me!
Thinking of wearing my Nathan shirt in Bath…
@Brent: Hah!!! :D
lol Move over, Bea, let me handle this.
lol welll i figured we need a name for the teacher and she had darkish hair that was kinda long, so…..
It’s supposed to be a fifteen minute presentation though, Caera! How will you shorten your 13 page paper to fit that time allowance??
Oh you’d be amazed at how much I can say in very little. I am a writer after all.
Hi. idk where i might say this. i doesn’t have to do with the post, but this is an excellent comic. i started listening to paperwings podcasts because i need help getting started with comics i want to make. decided to check out yours. its so well done! u clearly know what you’re doing. the way events and dialogue show more about the characters while keeping the story moving and being funny/entertaining. that doesn’t happen by accident. takes skills. and your art style, esp the facial expressions, is golden. its all very inspiring. great work!
Thank you so much, Eric!
I was *JUST* talking to a good friend the other day about finding ways to work character development into forward moving scenes. Every once in a looong while you can stop everything and really go deep with your characters, but this should be done sparingly, and only after you’ve “earned” that moment. So many of my favorite “character development” moments were edited out of The Dreamer to keep the pace brisk, the plot forward moving, and the tension high.
So glad Paper Wings has been useful to you. I love, love, love hearing that from listeners!
Another great page, Lora.
Nathan Hale: James Bond, he was not. However, I’m sure he enjoyed martinis as well. Because, come on – everyone loves a good martini.
I don’t know……he strikes me more as a wine kind of guy.
ha ha ha, Vodka didn’t come to the US until after WWII.
New England Rum? Most likely. And there are hard cider stains on his Bible.
hard cider on his Bible!?!?!?!? somehow…epic
Classic martinis are made with gin and vermouth. Some have gone to vodka. I’ll take mine shaken, not stirred. Martinis are a 20th century innovation. Mixed drinks existed in colonial times, though the hot toddies and flips are mostly unrecognizable today. Gin was around as early as the 17th century in England, maybe earlier, and was then associated with debauchery and the lower sort. Reference Pepys’ Diary, where many of his sleazy activities took place in London gin joints circa late 1600s. I do not believe that gin had much or any distribution in Colonial New England. Why bother, when Warren Russet hard cider is at hand?
Dreamer readers below legal age should ignore and expunge my post.
Well, I couldn’t see any VI to caption this time, but given some of the earlier comments, this just had to be done. So, Nathan as a faun: Image 1 has Nathan’s features only, while image 2 includes some hairstyling.
Nightmare fodder or epic dream inspiration?
I’d hope for the latter, but at least it had an effect. right?
hehehe!
*Mind blows*
I’ve been so busy lately that I’ve been behind! Caera tweeted me about getting together for the impending scene to have the cry-fest that we’ve threaten for…. well, as long as we’ve known each other. Ugh… the tears are going to be never ending!
Beautiful work as always! I just want to smack John though. There is soooo much more to Nathan, as with any figure that has ever lived. Makes me sad because I’ve known too many people like this over the years… :(
Ha! John is the one guy there who at least knew who Nathan was. :)