Bea, you are in sooo much trouble. And I’m not talking about with your parents.
HOSPITAL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The VI: …I think I just blacked out myself for a minute there…
I thought Cunningham tore up the letters in front of Nathan but that might just be Liberty’s Kids asserting itself into my memory. I don’t remember reading that specifically. :P
Since my mom’s step-dad (the only grandfather I’ve known on that side) and half-sister (my youngest aunt) are/were Cunninghams, I’m a little more selective about my Cunningham dislikes. :P
I read somewhere that Cunningham showed the letters to Wyllis (sp?), one of Nathan’s Yale friends, who was in Cunningham’s jail at the time, so he kept them for a little while. They were never sent, but I still have a secret hope that they might surface somewhere someday.
No, it was in Seymour. I just went and looked it up. It was in Enoch’s diary. I’m sure the author of the Quintumviri got it from the same place. She’s a good friend of mine, and the only other person I know who photocopied all 700 pages of Seymour’s book :-D
That must be what I was thinking of. :P So you know Circian? I asked her once if there was ever a chance she was going to get the rest of the book published but she said at the time she wasn’t trying. :/
Caera (for some reason there’s not a reply button after your post) you had mentioned in a previous thread that you were interested, so I e-mailed her and she said ” I still do want to publish it and plan to give it some serious thought “. She’s pretty loaded up with her day job, though, so it may take a while.
Hey has anyone seen the Delorean? I need it for….something….and I got the keys, but….did one of you hotwire it after the last post?
I’m glad as a fan that Bea is finally asleep again (I think – I’m still not sure if this sleep will be enough. I mean, can coma people dream?), but as a person I’m curious about the reaction time. Even allowing for them not being her pills, and assuming a large dose, I would think a half-hour or so of general wooziness would precede the collapse, taking her out while her parents are in the middle of talking (or “talking”) to her.
INCENTIVE CAPTION!!!!
Montressor: “Why should I save his hide? Why should I right this wrong when I have come so far and struggled for so long? If I speak, I am condemned — if I stay silent, I am damned! I am the master of dozens of soldiers — they all look to me. How can I abandon them, how can they live if I am not free?”
The “Alligator Sky” video doesn’t say it, far as I can tell, but in “Deer in the Headlights,” when Adam slams the brakes to stop from hitting the guy in the spacesuit (who we recognize as Adam from the first video), the monitors on the Delorean’s dashboard say 2015.
So we’ll have to skip getting on the rockets after the farewell world party, if we’re going to get the Delorean. But after we save Nathan, I guess we can come back a little earlier than 2015 and get on the rockets then. Or just hang out with 2 Adams at once.
Oh gods, Nathan and Adam (or two Adams) at the same time? I would die from the awesome.
The other parts of the “Deer in the Headlights” video that I love are Lights’ cameo in the gas station, and the fact you can see Adam’s white hair, on the back of his head. He always dyes it and I wish he didn’t. I love it!
Random fact: Adam cannot drive stick, so all the scenes of him “driving” the Delorean were actually him, in the car, on a trailer being pulled down the road. LOL!!!!!!
I miss his white hair too, but I suppose we all have our little foibles. The fact that he can’t drive stick just makes me like him more, because I’ve tired and failed to learn it myself, several times. It irks me, because it’s something I wanted to be good at. 0:)
Okay, I didn’t know that about the letters. I knew about this other stuff, so I knew this was coming (and props to you for having the guts to not shy away from it), but I didn’t know that.
So, yeah. Now even I’M pissed off at all this. :-(
Things are winding down as in end of chapter? Or things are winding down as in the Dreamer is almost done? AH! Bea, you in so much trouble girl! If/When you get back to the modern world I see psychiatric visits in your future…
I’m totally buying a ticket for that train too!! :D If you’re going to change history, do it in a way that doesn’t impact the future/present too much, but still does a kindness, eh?
So then after your trip to 1776, rather than admit to “misplacing” the letters Cunningham just SAID he burned them because you knew his ego wouldn’t let him do otherwise, thus preserving the “official” historical account of this affair?
I don’t know that Bea’s going to be able to dream with those pills. And she is going to be in *so* much trouble when her folks find out what’s in her system when she ends up in the hospital, getting her stomach pumped.
Hmmm… Caera’s getting one, too. Is it possible that we’re all getting sympathetic Nathan pains? Hoping mine can be cured by some chocolate ice cream. (Beats trepanning.)
Caera, re. owl symbolism: “Owl spirit animals are symbolic of death in many traditions. In most cases however, it should not be taken literally: If the owl is associated with death, it can be viewed a symbolic death, meaning a transition in life, important changes that are taking place or about to happen. In many dream interpretations, the owl can represent a deceased friend or family member who comes back in the dream in the shape of a spirit animal.”
Death… dreams… owls… hmmm…
(A bit OT – sorry, Lora. I could look up the symbolism of leeches, if it fits.)
Isn’t there also something about owls AS Spirit Animals (such as in Native American tradictions) symbolising wisdom? Or am I just going in to Greek Mythology mode now?
Yeah, there are various layers to owl totems (and any animal totems, really, based on their physical characteristics and behaviors). Owls are also symbols of femininity (tied in with the moon), prophecy (my, what big eyes you have!), and clairvoyance (being able to “see in the dark”). People with owl totems are better than others at extracting secrets and cannot be easily deceived.
Well, I guess the Owl is my totem then, because I have clairvoyant dreams and vibes on a regular basis, and people might think they’re fooling me but I’m just too polite to call them out as liars…
I think it would be pretty great if Bea can get to Montressor and offer to deliver the letters. Hell, even if she ended up bringing them to the present, that would be awesome.
I would think that a fall from 1,000 ft. high would make the rattlesnakes a bit redundant, but you have the ingredients for ANOTHER idea, though. How about we seal Cunningham into an isolated compartment on an airborne airplane that just HAPPENS to also be full of rattlesnakes? Mua-ha-ha!!!
Ummm, that is, as soon as we can figure out HOW to breach the Space-Time Barrier in order to snatch Cunningham from the 18th century and into the present day.
Blast! I KNEW there’d be a hitch in our masterplan SOMEWHERE!
Oh, splendid! I’m considering making Howe “sleep with the fishes” by fitting him with with some cement “overshoes”, but that’s just one possible scenario. As for Hitler, we should be VERY inventive about the method we use to whack HIM. I’m good with any suggestions you might have, the only condition being that they are NOT over with quick, because he IS Hitler, after all! Boo! Hiss! Sieg Heil, my @$$! :P
But what will Bea do with the Knowlton letter? Give it to Freddy? :’( I’m imagining them making a blanket fort and reading the letters together inside with cookies and tissues and Nathan plushies. Oh wait, that’s me and Caera… well, Bea and Freddy are invited too! I volunteer to hug Freddy! What? Me, taking advantage of a crisis? Noooooo.
But seriously. I would love some blanket-fort doodles, if ever you feel like doing somethin’ cute for the VI… for therapeutic purposes, y’know. ;)
Blanket fort pity party at my place (er, tent) everyone!! Special guests Beatrice Whaley and Frederick Knowlton will be signing Nathan plushies. Kleenex and cookies will be provided. BYOF (…bring your own flip)!
*Love* blanket forts! Mine always had “bookshelves” inside, of course. Had to stop making them when we got cats, because cats don’t understand the concept of “suspension”.
Oops, something tells me that Bea went way too far here. This can`t be healthy…
The VI: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I can`t imagine Lora totally mixing history up, so I have no idea what will happen.
I suddenly had this vision of Dreamer fans sitting in silent tears around a campfire in the night at the place where this was. :-/
But even if Bea did decide to go all “Time Lord Victorious, ” Nathan would end up dying anyway, if memory serves (and she would probably make things worse…).
It IS some distance away. The British could have substituted a life-like mannequin on those gallows as part of some devious conspiracy they have going on that involves Nathan.
I found out this week that I have a connection with the Revolutionary War! “What kind of connection?” you may be wondering. Well, I’ll tell you. My great-great-great-great-great grandfather signed the Articles of the Confederation, the Declaration of Independence, AND the Constitution! He was known as the “Financier of the Revolution,” and was asked to be the Secretary of the Treasury, but suggested Hamilton in his place. He ended up losing all his money and died in debtors’ prison. His name was Robert Morris.
Bea, you are in sooo much trouble. And I’m not talking about with your parents.
HOSPITAL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The VI: …I think I just blacked out myself for a minute there…
I thought Cunningham tore up the letters in front of Nathan but that might just be Liberty’s Kids asserting itself into my memory. I don’t remember reading that specifically. :P
I hate Cunningham in Liberty’s Kids.
I hate Cunningham in ANYTHING.
Unless it’s Wes Cunningham. I love him.
Since my mom’s step-dad (the only grandfather I’ve known on that side) and half-sister (my youngest aunt) are/were Cunninghams, I’m a little more selective about my Cunningham dislikes. :P
Lol I was joking! I only hate the one. ;)
Yes. For example, the Cunninghams on “Happy Days” were rather decent folks! :)
I can’t remember the last time I saw that show. O.o
I read somewhere that Cunningham showed the letters to Wyllis (sp?), one of Nathan’s Yale friends, who was in Cunningham’s jail at the time, so he kept them for a little while. They were never sent, but I still have a secret hope that they might surface somewhere someday.
Is it in this story, ?
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer/quintumviri.html
I was quite touched by it when I read it several years ago…
No, it was in Seymour. I just went and looked it up. It was in Enoch’s diary. I’m sure the author of the Quintumviri got it from the same place. She’s a good friend of mine, and the only other person I know who photocopied all 700 pages of Seymour’s book :-D
That must be what I was thinking of. :P So you know Circian? I asked her once if there was ever a chance she was going to get the rest of the book published but she said at the time she wasn’t trying. :/
Caera (for some reason there’s not a reply button after your post) you had mentioned in a previous thread that you were interested, so I e-mailed her and she said ” I still do want to publish it and plan to give it some serious thought “. She’s pretty loaded up with her day job, though, so it may take a while.
Huzzah! Well, I’ve been waiting this long, I think I can wait a while longer if needs be. :)
Yeah, the reply button stops showing after the 5 comment.
Bea’s parents are like, “What the? What do we do now?”
*gnashes teeth at Cunningham*
Hey has anyone seen the Delorean? I need it for….something….and I got the keys, but….did one of you hotwire it after the last post?
I’m glad as a fan that Bea is finally asleep again (I think – I’m still not sure if this sleep will be enough. I mean, can coma people dream?), but as a person I’m curious about the reaction time. Even allowing for them not being her pills, and assuming a large dose, I would think a half-hour or so of general wooziness would precede the collapse, taking her out while her parents are in the middle of talking (or “talking”) to her.
INCENTIVE CAPTION!!!!
Montressor: “Why should I save his hide? Why should I right this wrong when I have come so far and struggled for so long? If I speak, I am condemned — if I stay silent, I am damned! I am the master of dozens of soldiers — they all look to me. How can I abandon them, how can they live if I am not free?”
Last time I saw it Adam Young was driving it in the music video for Deer In The Headlights. Contact his people maybe?
Yeah, but we’ll have to wait another 2 years to find him. He literally found himself in 2015 at the end of that video.
Was that 2015? I never realized we were so close to the Farewell Earth party.
The “Alligator Sky” video doesn’t say it, far as I can tell, but in “Deer in the Headlights,” when Adam slams the brakes to stop from hitting the guy in the spacesuit (who we recognize as Adam from the first video), the monitors on the Delorean’s dashboard say 2015.
So we’ll have to skip getting on the rockets after the farewell world party, if we’re going to get the Delorean. But after we save Nathan, I guess we can come back a little earlier than 2015 and get on the rockets then. Or just hang out with 2 Adams at once.
Oh gods, Nathan and Adam (or two Adams) at the same time? I would die from the awesome.
The other parts of the “Deer in the Headlights” video that I love are Lights’ cameo in the gas station, and the fact you can see Adam’s white hair, on the back of his head. He always dyes it and I wish he didn’t. I love it!
Random fact: Adam cannot drive stick, so all the scenes of him “driving” the Delorean were actually him, in the car, on a trailer being pulled down the road. LOL!!!!!!
Welp, guess I’d better start watching for that vanilla sky, then.
You mean Vanilla Twilight? ;)
I miss his white hair too, but I suppose we all have our little foibles. The fact that he can’t drive stick just makes me like him more, because I’ve tired and failed to learn it myself, several times. It irks me, because it’s something I wanted to be good at. 0:)
So basically: I hope you can drive the Delorean because I cannot. Minor flaw in our plan. (I’m better with the Tardis.)
@Caera. ARGH. Yes, I do. I’ll just turn in my Owl City fan card now. *hangs head*
@Celidah. Hahaha! No it’s ok. I knew what you meant. lol We were talking “Alligator Sky” at the time, mixups happen. ;)
Oh, and my life is complete: http://adamyoungisatimelord.tumblr.com/
If Adam Young is the Doctor, I can get him to take me back in time to save Nathan—nooooo my mind is not allowed to go anywhere near this idea.
@Caera: *backs away slowly*
Muahahahahahaha!!!!!
<3 <3 <3
Okay, I didn’t know that about the letters. I knew about this other stuff, so I knew this was coming (and props to you for having the guts to not shy away from it), but I didn’t know that.
So, yeah. Now even I’M pissed off at all this. :-(
I have nothing funny or cute to say, there’s too much tension and suspense.
Gah, yeah, fainting sucks. Never fun to hit the floor and discover a huge bruise when you wake up.
It’s bad enough to know there were some sad goodbyes in those letters, but knowing they were never read? Tearjerker.
No! This can’t be happening askdfkkjgj;dff
Things are winding down as in end of chapter? Or things are winding down as in the Dreamer is almost done? AH! Bea, you in so much trouble girl! If/When you get back to the modern world I see psychiatric visits in your future…
ahh such a sad update! And the VI didn’t look to pleasant either!
I think 3/4 of Bea’s woozy is from the sleeping pills, and the other 3/4 is from reading Nathan’s fate.
Yes, I know that adds up to more than 1, but I don’t care.
Does Cunningham survive the war? Because if so, I’m going to go back in time and see that he doesn’t.
We learned not too long ago from the blog that Cunningham did survive the war and lived out his life in England. :(
I knew Bea never had a chance to save Nathan… but these letters? I think she’s got a chance to save those.
I believe.
Ooh! Nice twist idea! Mind if I hop on that train of thought?
I’m totally buying a ticket for that train too!! :D If you’re going to change history, do it in a way that doesn’t impact the future/present too much, but still does a kindness, eh?
Everyone is welcome! This is a train of happy thoughts and no tears and no paradoxes!
*runs up* Wait for meeeeeeeee!
Yay! Terminators be not here, y’all!
I actually had a dream once where I did just that…
Oh, really? So what happened and how did you do it?
My guess is that her dream ended in a Caera/Nate wedding.
Just throwin’ it out there. Perhaps the letters were really wedding invitations to Enoch and Knowlton…
No, I wasn’t able to save Nathan. :( But I smuggled his letters out.
I guess my brain was thinking some things in history cannot be changed, but they don’t have to happen exactly the same.
So then after your trip to 1776, rather than admit to “misplacing” the letters Cunningham just SAID he burned them because you knew his ego wouldn’t let him do otherwise, thus preserving the “official” historical account of this affair?
Probably. I woke up without seeing him. Probably a good thing. lol
That was what I thought the minute it showed that on her computer screen. Headcanon accepted (or perhaps actual canon? Please?).
Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddd faint. Bea’s Outta HEEEERRRRREEEEEE.
VI: my turn to faint. LORA WHY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
My little heart can’t take all this. ARGH!
I don’t know that Bea’s going to be able to dream with those pills. And she is going to be in *so* much trouble when her folks find out what’s in her system when she ends up in the hospital, getting her stomach pumped.
So I wake up today with a migraine and figure checking in on The Dreamer would be soothing. Title: Headache. This doesn’t bode well for my Friday.
D’oh! Sounds like mine. I’ve been up since 3 AM with sinus problems. Blechhhh.
I woke up with it too. I always have headaches all the time.
Hmmm… Caera’s getting one, too. Is it possible that we’re all getting sympathetic Nathan pains? Hoping mine can be cured by some chocolate ice cream. (Beats trepanning.)
If my headache was sympathy for Nathan, does that make me a horrible person for using Owl City to cure it?
His music is my default headache killer. O.o
Caera, re. owl symbolism: “Owl spirit animals are symbolic of death in many traditions. In most cases however, it should not be taken literally: If the owl is associated with death, it can be viewed a symbolic death, meaning a transition in life, important changes that are taking place or about to happen. In many dream interpretations, the owl can represent a deceased friend or family member who comes back in the dream in the shape of a spirit animal.”
Death… dreams… owls… hmmm…
(A bit OT – sorry, Lora. I could look up the symbolism of leeches, if it fits.)
I have owls outside my bedroom but I don’t think I have ever had one in a dream. Maybe I just don’t remember.
Isn’t there also something about owls AS Spirit Animals (such as in Native American tradictions) symbolising wisdom? Or am I just going in to Greek Mythology mode now?
Yeah, there are various layers to owl totems (and any animal totems, really, based on their physical characteristics and behaviors). Owls are also symbols of femininity (tied in with the moon), prophecy (my, what big eyes you have!), and clairvoyance (being able to “see in the dark”). People with owl totems are better than others at extracting secrets and cannot be easily deceived.
Well, I guess the Owl is my totem then, because I have clairvoyant dreams and vibes on a regular basis, and people might think they’re fooling me but I’m just too polite to call them out as liars…
My headache turned out to be bronchitis. Does that count?
Ain’t nobody got time for that!
I think it would be pretty great if Bea can get to Montressor and offer to deliver the letters. Hell, even if she ended up bringing them to the present, that would be awesome.
That WOULD be awesome. Ahh, but that scumbag Cunningham probably burned them right after….well, you know. :(
A pox on Cunningham! A POX, I say!
I like to see that scum-bag Scummingham fall off a air plane 1,000 ft. high and land on the ground with rattlesnakes.
I would think that a fall from 1,000 ft. high would make the rattlesnakes a bit redundant, but you have the ingredients for ANOTHER idea, though. How about we seal Cunningham into an isolated compartment on an airborne airplane that just HAPPENS to also be full of rattlesnakes? Mua-ha-ha!!!
Let’s go with your idea David! Mua-ha ha ha!!!!!!
Right, then! Let’s do it! TALLY HO!!! :-D
Ummm, that is, as soon as we can figure out HOW to breach the Space-Time Barrier in order to snatch Cunningham from the 18th century and into the present day.
Blast! I KNEW there’d be a hitch in our masterplan SOMEWHERE!
I already built me a Time Machine and she is all finish and ready to go. We’ll be able to snatch Cunningham, General Howe, and Hitler.
Oh, splendid! I’m considering making Howe “sleep with the fishes” by fitting him with with some cement “overshoes”, but that’s just one possible scenario. As for Hitler, we should be VERY inventive about the method we use to whack HIM. I’m good with any suggestions you might have, the only condition being that they are NOT over with quick, because he IS Hitler, after all! Boo! Hiss! Sieg Heil, my @$$! :P
Lora, you’re so good at imagining all of this for us. How about imagining what’s in the letters? That may be coming up, and I hope so.
That stinking sack of….manure Cunningham! Those letters were priceless historical correspondence! Well, anyway, they WOULD have been. :(
The VI: NOOOOOOO!!! This isn’t HAPPENING!!! :O
But what will Bea do with the Knowlton letter? Give it to Freddy? :’( I’m imagining them making a blanket fort and reading the letters together inside with cookies and tissues and Nathan plushies. Oh wait, that’s me and Caera… well, Bea and Freddy are invited too! I volunteer to hug Freddy! What? Me, taking advantage of a crisis? Noooooo.
But seriously. I would love some blanket-fort doodles, if ever you feel like doing somethin’ cute for the VI… for therapeutic purposes, y’know. ;)
I like blanket forts.
Blanket fort pity party at my place (er, tent) everyone!! Special guests Beatrice Whaley and Frederick Knowlton will be signing Nathan plushies. Kleenex and cookies will be provided. BYOF (…bring your own flip)!
*Love* blanket forts! Mine always had “bookshelves” inside, of course. Had to stop making them when we got cats, because cats don’t understand the concept of “suspension”.
My theory about cats is that they often actually DO understand a concept, but they simply choose to DISREGARD it for their own inscrutable reasons.
Cats are funny that way.
Uh, dude – cats are ROYALTY! They don’t need to obey your puny human “rules”. It is you who needs to learn and obey their rules.
OMG, I love this idea! Who is bringing the snacks?
I’ll make brownies. I make AWESOME brownies.
Alan is bringing Jolly Rangers. His favorite flavor is apple.
I can arrange for banana bread and some bitchin’ apple cider
Better be the right cider. ;)
I said bitchin’, not mega-bitchin’. Talk to one of the Massachusetts fans for that other kind.
This is going to be a pity party of special magnificence.
You know Nathan; he’s got the whole place in an uproar.
I mean…more than usual.
He’s taken to locking himself in greenhouses.
He spends hours and hours poring over Latin maps when he thinks they’re not looking.
He’s up to something.
*laughs hysterically, maniacally, and not a little bit like a centuries old member of Ringaholics Anonymous*
Oops, something tells me that Bea went way too far here. This can`t be healthy…
The VI: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I can`t imagine Lora totally mixing history up, so I have no idea what will happen.
I suddenly had this vision of Dreamer fans sitting in silent tears around a campfire in the night at the place where this was. :-/
Screw history, time to go all Time Lord Victorious, Bea!
Was that a referrence to the TV series “Victorious”? :)
Victoria Justice as Bea? She IS about the right age….
More like Doctor Who. But good guess. :P
But even if Bea did decide to go all “Time Lord Victorious, ” Nathan would end up dying anyway, if memory serves (and she would probably make things worse…).
It’s hard to imagine things COULD be made worse, but if Bea’s record so far is anything to go by, then yes, she just might succeed in doing that!
Whoa NO! That is NOT mah boi I see about to hang in the preview!! :,O
It IS some distance away. The British could have substituted a life-like mannequin on those gallows as part of some devious conspiracy they have going on that involves Nathan.
Maybe it’s one of the “cameo girls”, who asked to be dressed up and drawn like Nathan as a diversion, so the rest of us can steal the real one away…
I wanted to be a cameo girl, but I didn’t have the money or see the post in time. :(
Is it too late for Lora to draw me holding a Caera plushie?
I can be a plushy!?!?!? :D
Her parents are totally going to get her medicated. But not sleeping pills. Like, the opposite of those.
I found out this week that I have a connection with the Revolutionary War! “What kind of connection?” you may be wondering. Well, I’ll tell you. My great-great-great-great-great grandfather signed the Articles of the Confederation, the Declaration of Independence, AND the Constitution! He was known as the “Financier of the Revolution,” and was asked to be the Secretary of the Treasury, but suggested Hamilton in his place. He ended up losing all his money and died in debtors’ prison. His name was Robert Morris.
Robert Morris? Not too shabby!
My Great x6 grandpa was just a captain in a rifle company. I love him no less, however.
I think Caera is a descendant of a Signer, too, if I remember correctly!
I was really excited to find out, and just had to share it here, because where else would I share it? [Besides with my friends on Facebook]
I, too, feel a certain fondness for my more “ordinary” ancestors. [How ordinary can they be, really, when it's their fault that I'm here?] ^_^