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Oh wow, she saved herself I think, but by turning this into a much bigger issue. This is about to get ugly really fast. I know these fights. But in the end, it probably needs to be said…O.o *sits back and twiddles thumbs on the 21st century storyline*
And back to the 18th century: The VI:
Aww this is going to be soo painful. But that’s what war is. It tears apart family, friends, homes and communities. Is true victory possible? I guess I feel the same way about my Faith these days. More and more I have been forced to choose between old friendships and my faith. Forget politics, that’s bad enough. But even now, it’s G-d or country, and even nation or state, instead of G-d, country and state…what the Hales have to say now is probably not unlike what’s been said between me and friends who decided my beliefs interfered with their ideals too much and ended it. That’s what war is, spiritual, political, and emotional.
It’s weird, what I just said, that it was so heavily on my mind, because I was just reading my Bible for the night and I was on Luke 21. He does that. XD
If you ever feel challenged about your faith, we could talk about it, maybe. I’m a strong Christian, but I have doubts sometimes to–I know exactly whatcha mean. I’ve been going through the same thing, which is for some reason just what this reminded me of as well. Bea is growing up, but her parents can’t seem to realize that.
I’m always free to talk about it. To people who believe like I do, or otherwise. I just like it when people don’t resort to the all-too-familiar “You’re white and you’re Christian you must be a homophobic racist and you should die” speel and block me…:P But that’s their problem. Maybe your questions are ones I’ve had already? Or maybe never thought to ask, and might be asked by a serious person later on, so knowing them now would be helpful.
I could give you my email :) Talking with someone about issues you’re dealing with can always help you gain new perspectives.
Your tumblr link doesn’t work but if you follow mine and PM me we can exchange from there ;)
For what it’s worth, no one should ever have to choose between family, friends, and faith. I have friends who don’t agree with me, and my husband is agnostic at best…but we all have an understanding that friends and family don’t dump each other over a disagreement on faith matters…because it’s faith, not empirical science. *hugs for Caera* Sorry you’ve had to deal with that!
It depends on the situation. There’s a difference between people of different beliefs being friends by respecting each other, and a person who strongly believes a lifestyle is wrong trying to be friends with someone with that lifestyle. If a person strongly believes that homosexuality is a sin and their adult son comes out as gay, they’re going to have to choose between their faith and their family. Even if they can come to a civil agreement, the relationship will never be as close or trusting as it would be if the son were straight or the parent supported homosexuality. And if a person strongly believes that homosexuality is a sin and then realizes that they themself are gay, then they have to actually choose between their faith and themself- it’s not always your faith and others.
Ideally no one would ever have to choose between faith and friends or family, but in reality- as long as people truly believe a group of people is inherently wrong, there is going to be conflict if that person has friends or family in that group. I don’t say that to sound superior, I tried to present the situation fairly to both sides (I apologize if I didn’t), but conflicts of faith and family can’t always be resolved that easily.
Exactly my point. Nothing is simple, no?
I have noticed that play out in war. You fight against an enemy, for example, who committs atrocities and wants to wipe out an ethnic group. They refuse to surrender or stop fighting. Nothing you can say or do will stop them, unless you fight force with force. We had no choice but to drop the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and we had no choice but to bomb Germany, killing thousands of innocent civilians. What we did was wrong, but we had no choice. If we had not done what we did, more people would have been killed, freedoms would have been lost, and an entire ethnicity liquidated. sticky situation, huh? The same goes for the American Revolution. We were fighting against a powerful force, the British, and we did not know who was our friends or our allies. Many loyalists conspired against us. If they had at any time been successful, America would not have been a nation. Thus, our persecution of loyalists was wrong, yes. What about the Civil War? We had to burn down towns in the South in order to stop the slavery of African-Americans. What if we had not taken these measures? The alternative? I do not think we want to even consider that. Sometimes we have to make hard descisions.
On the one hand, I understand what you’re saying. On the other, I’ve seen that it’s possible. My parents are strongly conservative and believe that living a homosexual lifestyle is wrong. However, they were able to be very good friends with an openly homosexual man (he was my dad’s roommate in college)…such was their friendship that I didn’t even know how my parents felt about homosexuality until I was an adult.
This man babysat me on occasion (as in overnight care when my parents would be out really late or for long weekends), and he and his partner frequently visited our home (and we visited theirs). We always had a Thanksgiving meal with his parents (while they were still alive), and I got excessive gifts from him and his parents upon my graduation from high school. After he died (he had a heart attack when I was in college), I found out that my parents were the executors of his will, and I was listed as secondary beneficiary to his life partner. My parents still speak of him as an example for kindness, generousity, and how hard work and dedication can breed success (he apparently started at Frito-Lay as a part-time temp, and worked his way into a national VP position).
It is possible to put aside contrary beliefs in favor of the friends and family that we love. It’s not easy, and it often involves a certain level of “agree to disagree” paired with “agree not to discuss certain things”…but it’s possible. My parents still believe that living a homosexual lifestyle is wrong, but they have shown me that you can believe one thing, but still open your hearts and homes to the people who disagree.
I’ve actually had to deal with something similar – my family is very conservative, and I’m kind of off doing my own thing in the faith area. Mom just tells me to keep my mouth shut about it around the rest of the family, but it hurts, because my faith is a part of me – denying it is denying who I am.
That reeks. I feel for you; all of you guys, actually. It’s never right to try to shut someone down who believes in something.
:( *Hugs* It’s always the hardest when it’s family.
I kinda have the same thing from the opposite end. Over the years my faith system has grown to be what can best be described as “monotheistic”, meaning that while I believe in Jesus and Him and all that’s in their bible, I worship in my own non-churchgoing way. While most of my family is understanding and accepting of this, it did create a bit of a problem five or six years ago when my dad had a particularly rough day, and after having a closet shelf fall on him (almost literally) declared that I was right and renounced his belief in God, saying that he nothing good in his life and only bad things happened to him (I guess two steady jobs, a place to live, and people who care/worry about him weren’t enough). It’s always kinda been hard to talk to him about stuff in the faith area ever since, especially since observing him shows that he does still believe — he just doesn’t want to (he’s also stubborn as all heck).
My grandparents are *just* like that. They have family who care for them, enough money for a comfortable retirement, but because my grandfather had a stroke (that he SURVIVED; most of the time, those things kill you), he’s pretty much renounced his faith.
It’s ironic, the people I know who have the strongest faith have the worst suffering.
Poofy dresses… :) But come on, Bea! Mothers are never put off that easily, especially when a friend calls. And never talk back to your mother like that! I do and it never ends up good. Usually a mommy guilt trip afterwards… Sitting in wait… Not sure if I can wait in anticipation like this. Especially with poor Nathan! The VI: Heartwrenching!!!!
If I was Bea’s mom I wouldn’t be taken aback by that, I’d say “Yes, exactly.” It’s a horribly childish tactic to treat your parents who care and love you like they are the enemy and you are the victim.
But teenagers usually tend to be horribly childish…
True, but I was really hoping her mature situations in her dreams had helped her grow. It seems it hasn’t. I hope her character develops into someone I can relate to.
She reverts every time she wakes up, like Narnia! When they grow up in Narnia, but turn back into kids when they return to Earth, and when they go back to Narnia they start acting older even though they stay children?
At least the books did it that way. They all went and made it teen drama in those movies, the second one anyway. Puh.
Interesting point. I hope she can grow to be a strong female character I can get behind, I want to be able to support her in general even if I disagree with her choices or actions. Right now all I’m doing is cringing at her.
Ahahaha! I think we all are. But who cares about Bea? I’m in this for Nathan. lol
…Oh wait, what happens after he dies? Well, I got plenty of characters to keep up with. Bea’s 17. She’ll grow up eventually. I think that’ll be half the fun, and pain, to watch.
If Bea can’t make it, I’ll save Nathan as fast as I can no matter what it takes, I’ll even bring Nathan to the 21st century and replace him with Hitler so Howe won’t even notice.
Hm, interesting. I thought I was the only one who wasn’t very happy with Bea right now. She’s being *very* childish about this whole thing.
And think about it; she fires that insult at her mom about her being “just a silly girl, and you wouldn’t believe me,” blahblablah, but *at that moment,* she’s lying to her.
Exactly. I feel like a turning point is coming though. I hope so at least.
Things are about to explode…..now back to Nathan…????
And the award for the best BSed story to their parents goes to Beatrice! rofl (I had to)
If I talk to my mom like what Bea did, I would be in really big trouble or slap across the face.
I wonder what Nathan and Sam are saying, Bea did told Nathan that she was from the 21st Century back in Issue 4 and I wonder if that comes up and Howe wondering why Bea was from the 21st Century or is he after because that she is from the 21st Century.
I think you’re giving too much importance to the 21st century thing.
Or Nathan must of forgotten about her saying that or he thinks she’s crazy that she’s from the 21st Century unlike Liz calling Bea’s mom, oh well, Howe will not get to know about Hitler starting World War 2 or the British lost the war because of him.
I mean the British lost the war because of Howe’s lazyness.
Or like Liz. I mean, neither really believes Bea.
Bea’s mom is a different story, well at least Yvette believes her about the dreams. Don’t about John M yet and it don’t come to that.
Forgot to add “know” in between “Don’t” and “about”. This happens to me alot.
If Bea can’t save Nathan, I will save him instead if Bea make it.
I can’t believe that I left some words, well, this is what I get for typing too fast.
I forgot to factor Bea’s acting skillz into the outcome of this confrontation…
Oh yeah! That has got to be one of the best turnarounds ever. Totally skips the whole “why are you home and what are you doing?” thing. Nice job, Bea.
Sam: “So…this is your cell. There’s….a hole, and some wood. Will…will you be needing anything?”
Nathan: “Yeah, I’d like a bible, a chaplain, and a cousin with some balls.”
OOOOOH! Point for Nathan. Ouch!
Exactly what I was thinking.
Epic come back!! :)
Hee,hee! Yeah, Nathan looks like he’s about to make an exception to his own rule about not punching someone who’s wearing glasses.
Or he could hit Sam with his glasses. ;)
Woah, Bea, where did THAT come from?! o_O I think Bea isn’t giving her mom enough credit right now… like most teenagers.
She’s stemming off resentment from a much bigger issue and using it as an escape. She’s turning the situation back on her mom for the issue that their relationship lacks a mutual trust and respect (for obvious reasons) and she’s going to use it to create a bigger fight and issue, while bringing some vitally necessary discussions between the two about their relationship, to light, all the while deflecting from the initial problem.
The fact I understand exactly what is going on in Bea’s head either means I was a seriously troubled kid, or I should be a psychologist…maybe both. All I can say is sometimes the fights just had to happen, and the relationships actually improved once everything was aired out, the screaming stopped, and proper communication ensued. A lot of the time one party was completely oblivious to the other’s issue. Put two put-out people in a position to talk about their peeves to each other, well…? ;D
And I’m not just talking about myself. I am talking about loads of people I know. *shrug* As well as myself. Though none of us ever had Bea-Dreams.
Wow….can you be our resident psychiatrist? That’s some pretty insightful stuff right there.
Hahahah Let me just go back to school and get my degree in it….
How about our resident unofficial, unlicensed psyciatrist? :) Saves you some school time!
And more loans than I can afford! Just remember everyone, I am not licensed or official so I can’t officially give advice. ;)
Riiiight….just give us “words” that have a “suggestive guiding” facet to them ^_^
Just so long as I’m covering my behind legally. lol
Right, but disrespecting her mom like that tends to encourage her mom’s belief that Bea “is silly and makes things up.” So blowing off steam or not, it’s not helping at all.
This sounds like it’s an ongoing issue she has with her mom. Maybe she’s capitalizing on it, but I think Bea genuinely feels this way. And, in Bea’s defense, her mom hasn’t really shown she cares thus far in the story.
It has been implied through the comic that Bea and her mom do have issues.
Well it depends. When the her mom realizes Bea is seriously feeling like that, and that there’s a much bigger issue, she probably will take her more seriously. It’s just like when someone self-injures. I mean, it’s not rational, no, like Bea is not being rational, but it sure gets attention.
In the end Bea’s mom will still think of her as a little girl, because she is, but even adults blow off steam sometimes.
This was supposed to be in response to Nikki’s post above.I have no idea why it’s down here.
Regardless of whether or not Bea feels that way it was a clever tactic to distract/guilt her mother.
Way to turn the conversation around, Bea. Seriously…the tatics of overdramatic teenagers everywhere are being displayed quite well in this page. Actress alert! (I also recall doing this once or twice as a teen)
I also love Mrs. Whaley’s expressions in all the panels.
On the one hand, well deflected Bea!
On the other hand…ouch! o_O
It’s a shame she isn’t being open with her mom (not that their relationship is such that her mom deserves that level of trust)…I’d really like to hear what her mom has to say about the dreams. I wonder if she’d believe her daughter (even if she thinks her daughter is “silly”).
Hmmm, seems like Bea may have some mommy issues to work through. I smell a shrink coming on….
“Beatrice used GUILT TRIP. It’s super effective!”
And one day, these two will be able to sit back and laugh about how this went down, like in, 20 years. Maybe?
In panel 6, I wonder if Mom is wondering if that’s a bit of a reflection or not. O_o
I had a dream.
Now where did we hear that from? ;3
From Les Misérables, out in theaters this Christmas with my boy Russel Crowe as Javert and my love Amanda Seyfried as Cosette. WOOT!
You are as excited as me.
I told my parents that if I get nothing for Christmas, then seeing this movie would be enough.
I have a feeling it will really be good!!!
Between Les Mis and Lincoln, it’s turning out to be a good season for historical drama. I suppose Argo counts too, although I have a hard time thinking of anything that happened during my lifetime as “historical”. ;-)
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!! I’m DYING to see les miserables!
“I had a Dream my life would be,
So different from this hell I’m living
So different now from what it seems
Now life has killed the dream
Not to mention WOLVERINE as Valjean!!
Remember when him and Batman and Alfred and Black Widow and Gollum and King Jerrod worked together? Now that was a great film.
^is talking about The Prestige
That is all.
I was thinking MLKJ, but yes! That works too! XD
Oh, and I’m also reading Les Miserables at the moment. ^^
Ok, guys.. Sorry about my post above.
I am very stressed about a paper I am writing for school and I was very exhausted when I wrote the above. Now, re-reading what I wrote yesterday now that I am fresh, I realize I was not making any sense at all. My apologies.
I think I need a break from the comments page.
So adieu for a while. I am off to write my paper.
Total Epiphany! What if Bea had these dreams when she was younger, but everyone thought ‘Oh, cute kid with a vivid imagination,’ and then after a while, someone told her she was too old to believe in santa claus and have an imaginary revolutionary world. What if she already had psychiatric care we don’t know about???? …I’m probably overthinking things… yeah… talk about imagination…
Personally, I love how the last panel shows how alike Bea and her mother look, while having such different personalities.
I can kind of feel for Bea at this point. I have okay relationships with my parents, and the distance from home for school helps at least us not get totally down each other’s throats, plus my parents are happy with my college major choice, unlike my sister, so brownie points? Lol. But I have struggles with things very few people know about, and no one can see the signs, even though I am surrounded by nurses and nursing students, and have confessed my problems more then once. No one listens. Bea is feeling the heat. Rejection and confusion. She isn’t crazy, she just can’t find someone to honestly rely on – me to a T.
These dreams, which feel real to Bea, show she is more worried about who she feels closer to – which would be everyone in her dreams because her mom seems to be nonexistent, and now Liz is betraying her trust and she feels betrayed in so many ways – just from my rereading of the whole comic so far, she is losing some sense of her reality and trust in the 21st century as she feels pulled in with the dreams, that are history and she just got that more then once in the 21st century – in the museum and history class.
She has a lot to deal with. She may not be making sane decisions, but her retort to her mother – I can feel for it. Really.
The first time we’ve seen Bea really truly mad?
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